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I'm Trey Orndorf, a political scientist at Oklahoma Christian University.

And I'm joined by Ken Katkin, a professor of law at Chase Law School.

Ken, welcome to this supporters' exclusive week Constitution show.

Yeah, it's great to be back.

It's always a lot of fun doing this.

As a matter of fact, we have learned many of our listeners say that the absolute best

in week show is our midweek show. And I think that's

because we've just, we've continued to just continue. We have not stopped in the face of multiple

adversity. Here we are in the 14th Amendment. This is, I think, our third show in the 14th Amendment.

And this is going to be our third show in the 14th Amendment.

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