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Welcome to Grokook Heter Range, the podcast of me, Sarah Raven.

And today, one of my heroines, that is Jekker McVicker, who really has taught us all what we know, really, certainly me anyway, about growing herbs and also about interesting varieties of herbs. And, well, she is the herb queen. And as I said last week, she's mentored

so many talented chefs, including Jamie Oliver, but many, many others. And I thought it would be lovely to get her to do one in

this series of the 12 best. And really, I've asked Jekka if she can think about the 12 best herbs if you're a

beginner gardener. Welcome, Jekka. It's lovely to have you on the podcast.

Well, it's lovely to see you. I haven't seen you for yonks. And we can actually see each other. You can't see us.

Yes. But you, I remember the first time we met, you were selling seeds at the country living show. Oh, that's right. And they were all

so beautifully wrapped up with bows. Yes. And they were exquisite. They were absolutely

exquisite. And I just thought, here's another lady who has the same attention to detail and the

passion for what she does. So I'm thrilled to be

on your program and to talk about my passion, if you like. Yeah. That's probably 25 years ago.

Funny enough, we were talking. We had a marketing meeting the other day and we were saying,

I think we should go back to the country living fair, but we don't even know if it still exists.

We're going to have to look into it.

It does.

It really does exist.

Yes, yes.

Absolutely it does.

Do you still go, Jekker?

Gosh, no.

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