Of course, as it was also noted in the readout, but let me just reiterate, he also conveyed and described the implications and consequences of China provides material support to Russia.

But again, I'm not going to provide any additional assessment from here.

Welcome to another edition of Goodfellows, a production of the Hoover Institution at Stamper University.

I'm May Charm McMaster sitting in for Bill Whalen, who's off this week.

I'm joined, as always, by my fellow good fellows, Neil Ferguson and John Cochran.

But this week, we're fortunate to be joined by another Hoover Institution fellow, Matt Pottinger,

who is a distinguished visiting fellow at Hoover.

Matt served with great distinction in the White House.

We served together on the National Security Council staff when he was the senior director

for Asia, and then Matt later went on to become the Deputy National Security Advisor.

And hey, Matt, it's great to have you here.

And I just want to say, Matt Pottinger, I think, really was the driving force behind the most significant shift in U.S. foreign policy since the

end of the Cold War. And that's the shift in our approach to China from cooperation and

engagement to transparent competition. But hey, welcome, Matt. It's great to be with you.

HR, it's great to be with you. I give you credit for forcing that shift with the national

security strategy that you bulldog through and that President Trump signed in his first year

in office. It was a real landmark. But it's great to be with you and

with John and with Neil. And we could talk about a lot, right? And Matt's, you know, Matt has a

long history of service, service to our nation as a Marine in Iraq and Afghanistan and service as a

journalist for quite a long time in China as well. And he was a reporter for the Wall Street Journal.

But, Matt, there's probably nobody better than to maybe begin our discussion today

on, on what's going on in Ukraine, but really especially how this catastrophe for the Ukrainian people,

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