Hi, I'm Anna Mariecox. Welcome to With Friends Like These. Our guest this week,

Negine Farsad, calls herself a social justice comedian, a phrase a lot of people might consider

a contradiction in terms, but she's been using her skills to leverage entertainment into opening

minds for years now, both in her book, How to Make White People Laugh, and her documentary,

and Muslims are coming and on a regular basis on her podcast, Fake the Nation. Stay with

us for a conversation about turning a master's degree into a podcasting career, and yes, for

some answers to that question, how do you make white people laugh? And after Negine, stay tuned

for a visit from JoLine, the tiny companion of crooked media's Matt DeGroot, but first, Negine,

coming right up. Negine, welcome to the show. Hi, thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure to

have you on. I have my very first question. Maybe an obvious. Yeah, let's hear it. You call yourself

a social justice comedian. These are not words that people hear a lot together. Let's say.

Yeah. What is that? What is a social justice comedian? I mean, it's funny because when I started using

it term so long ago, before people really used the word social justice ever, you know what I mean? It

was it like they were used in circles, but now I feel like it's used really commonly. It's there's

like statement tease. Then there's like social justice warriors and everybody hates them. And

you know, so now it's like there's a whole different set of connotations to the term social justice.

But at the time, I started saying that just because people will be like, oh, you're a political

comedian. I was like, I mean, not exactly. I'm not making jokes about Obama's tan suit up here.

You know what I mean? And so I felt like it was it. I was like, I think I'm more about I'm more

of a social justice comedian because it's more about like stuff that's right and wrong, but then also

just anything else too. And so I just sort of adopted that term because it felt more accurate

than political comic. You know? I like it. It does make me think of how if we're going to use

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