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From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is now and then.

I'm Heather Cox Richardson. And I'm Joanne Freeman. Today we're going to be talking about something

that will not be at all surprising. And that, of course, is Thanksgiving Day. The more

that we chatted, Heather and I, about this episode, the more it became clear that rather than

just the holiday itself, one of the things that was really interesting was the way in

which at different periods of time, people focus on the holiday in a way that epitomizes

that moment in time. So in other words, this national holiday of Thanksgiving ends up being

kind of a mirror of the nation at a given time. And that's what we want to explore today.

We want to work our way through American history, looking at the trail of how Thanksgiving

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