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Unholier Than Thou

Thanks, but no thanks

Unholier Than Thou

Unholier Than Thou

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture

4.7903 Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2020

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Our national revisionist-history holiday is upon us, so Phill has a special guest at his Thanksgiving table. Kaitlin Curtice is a citizen of the Potawatomi Nation and also (wait for it) a Christian. She and Phill talk about balancing conflicting identities, decolonizing her faith, and rethinking, reimagining, and relearning our history.



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0:00.0

From Cricket Media, this is unholyer than now. I'm your host Philip Picardy.

0:17.0

Next week, maybe you're observing a little holiday known as Thanksgiving.

0:21.0

And that's cool! I hope you get full, drink lots and are

0:24.0

married with friends. I also hope you stick it to any Trump supporting relatives if

0:27.9

you so choose. Thanksgiving is, as you know, a pretty complicated holiday.

0:32.1

It is effectively a day that elevates revisionist

0:34.8

history about American genocide. What is less well known, even in the modern, more accurate

0:39.7

retellings of Thanksgiving, is religion's deliberate and explicit role in colonization,

0:44.5

and just how much Christianity was used to justify the murder, rape, torture,

0:49.0

and marginalization of indigenous peoples.

0:51.5

Of course, we are all still living with the remnants of that legacy today.

0:57.1

This complicated legacy is part of the backdrop to a recent book called Native, identity belonging

1:01.8

and rediscovering God by Caitlin Curtis

1:03.8

Caitlin is a faith leader in storyteller who has worked to help decolonize

1:07.9

Christianity even if as she's come to realize she's not sure that's entirely possible at all. I got to speak to Caitlin about her

1:15.5

relationship to Christianity, how it evolved when she tapped more into her indigenous roots

1:20.1

and what it means to be a good Christian in our modern world.

1:23.2

I hope our talk gives you something to think about as many of us head into our own celebrations next week.

1:28.0

Oftentimes, when we talk about Thanksgiving in this way, people get the wrong idea,

1:32.4

that maybe we're saying that you shouldn't celebrate. And let me just say you can do

1:36.4

whatever you choose. I'm not here to tell you one way or the other or to pass judgment. I just hope that this

1:42.0

conversation helps give you a better

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