Hi, I'm Ryan Levy.

Welcome to Cyber reasons Malicious Life. Over the years we've told stories of quite a few fishing campaigns such as Operation

Ghost Chill and Operation Aurora by APDs and similar threat actors.

We usually talk about these sorts of campaigns as targeting businesses, defence contractors

or government organizations.

But really, when you stop to think about it, the actual targets of all fishing campaigns,

the ones who literally get fished are humans.

And humans, you know, have feelings and emotions and all that fluffy stuff.

So how does it feel to be the target of a bona fide nation-state fishing campaign?

I don't mean your common spray and prey fishing campaign of the sort we're used to seeing in our mailboxes.

I'm talking about a persistent years long campaign targeting yourself as well as your

friends, family and professional colleagues.

Fishing attempts on every conceivable platform from emails to social media to your workplace.

How does it feel to live for years, feeling like you have a

target mark on your back? The Tamar Ginden is an Israeli scholar whose research focuses on the Persian language.

I'm a linguist. I have a PhD in Iranian linguistics.

I gave some summer schools in Germany in Hamburg where linguistic students from Iran came to study the history of the Persian language.

But Tamara's interests go much further than simply the language spoken in Iran, modern day Persia.

She's been enamored with the Persian culture

since she was in high school.

I learned their language,

I learned their cooking, still not very good with desserts, even though it's been almost

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