Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. We have with us a returning guest. That is Russell author of Renegade history. The United States head of Renegade University.

And someone who's in the middle right now of a big S storm on Twitter and elsewhere. So I wanted to have you on to discuss an extremely sensitive topic that people have a lot of understandable feelings and emotions about.

Can you explain? So from here's my perspective on this, you had a professor Steven Kirschauer, how do you pronounce his name? I'm sorry that Kirschner. Okay, from SUNY, SUNY professor.

And you guys were discussing pedophilia and age of consent laws. And let me explain why this is an issue that I personally have taken interest in. I have written all my books or most of them about the subject of evil.

The North Korean book, dear readers written from Kim Jong Il's perspective. And I went there and I, you know, understood their perspective. I was at Charlottesville, as part of my research for the book on the new right. And when this Jeffrey Epstein stuff was happening, I pitched a book to my agent called junior history of American pedophilia from Grover Cleveland to Jeffrey Epstein because Grover Cleveland, the only non consecutive president married a girl who he knew since she was a baby.

The second she hit 18. This is something people don't appreciate. And I did read some, my agent said to me, is this really research you want to be doing? And that was actually a good point as to why not to pursue this, but a good friend of mine, Matt, and he asked me to use his name.

When I was on Rogan, I told his story. He came out to me recently as having been the victim of childhood sexual assault. And the point I made on Rogan is, it's not at all right that only people who are victims of this have to speak up about it.

And it's incumbent on, I think all of us is so far as I want to sound like a commie. But when children are hurt, it's not, they've suffered enough. He's done enough, like it doesn't have to be on him. Then now he has to talk about him or other victims. They could just be like, I don't want to talk about this. It's, I've lived through this.

The clips that went around on the internet, it really seemed to many people that you and this professor were somehow belittling or condoning or validating this perspective.

And for my research on this subject, the issue that seems to come up that most people don't understand is that the argument, there's been a lot of recent also rebranding. There was a professor was recently fired because

I don't remember the pronouns, I'm sorry, the professor had a written a book trying to rebrand pedophiles as minor attractive persons trying to make a distinction rightly or wrongly between people who have this attraction and people actually act on this attraction with children.

The national view, I think, had a piece trying to make the point that this is some kind of mental state as opposed to something that is a choice, which you can easily make that argument for, although I don't know the validity of this.

So what is your perspective and how can you tell me how it felt when this all blew up because this interview on your podcast was a year ago, I believe.

Yeah, it was in December of 2020 and many thousands of people watched it and listened to it since then and there was no controversy about it at all really I don't think anybody comments that on it.

The clip that was posted by lives of Tik Tok on Twitter was I think like a minute and a half or so, it was a very short thing and it was, it was the very very beginning of the of the section in which we talk about the subject.

And I introduced it by saying, you know, I have I have defended adult child sex in the past, which I have now what I meant by that now that's where the clip ends right.

And so of course people see that and say, oh my god, this guy's defending pedophilia.

Let me say what my position is on the kinds of people and abuse that you're talking about and I said this on Twitter last week, I said it last summer on Liberty lockdown podcast, I've said it publicly many times.

I'm actually fairly extreme on this compared to a lot of people, I mean, for people who are for people who have been who have abused or raped children and who can't control their urges.

They need to be in concentration camps far from everybody. I mean, I think in the desert far from even the prison population, they need to be totally separated from our society.

And that's just the way that is because if they can't control themselves, they are, of course, definitionally rapists because children, of course, are always going to be vulnerable to them.

So that's not even a question. And then if I were, if I were to come across, if I were to discover someone abusing or raping a child, I mean, abusing or raping anyone, but especially a child, I would want to kill them. There's no doubt about it.

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