Welcome to the conversationsations That Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. We are

going to talk today about a controversy that might be going on or might not

be depending on when you are listening to this

because I'm releasing it a few days after I recorded it and it's concerning a

situation that Thabedi and of Buele who is a pastor for those who don't know, I think might still be somewhat

associated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

I'm not sure in what ways.

I know at one time he definitely was and he was certainly part of

nine marks ministries I know there's an association between him and David Platt I'm not

sure exactly the nature of that but there there is an SBC association there maybe

his church is still SBC, I don't know. But either way, it's, the

controversy is happening in SBC circles and even if it's based on previous

membership in the SBC that that's that's where it's happening

and a thabidian bulli lay is a pastor who was certainly very much platformed at

southeastern where I went to school when I went to school there and I remember him still telling the audience you know you need

if if you think that fighting for justice means you're a liberal then you need to be

a liberal because you know the God would be a liberal in that situation very very eyebrow

raising things that he said I remember in chapel and he would get invited quite a

bit to Chappell.

So I know who he is, not everyone does, but that's a little bit of context for at least my personal

interactions and where I know him from. But the controversy currently has to do

with whether or not Thabedi Enabuila is an egalitarian when it comes to

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