Hello, this is the Red Box Podcast. I'm Matt Cholley, thinking the best of my times

video show you can listen live for free on your DAB radio, on your Smart Speaker, or on

the Times Radio app. Coming up today as we hurdle into exam season, we turn the tables

and put some questions to the school's minister, Nick Gibb, we taught tests, we taught teachers,

we taught Zoom, parents evenings, and much else besides including how he ended up in an

episode of The Simpsons, all that's coming up in just a moment. But first, as ever, we kick

off with the columnist panel.

Manvine Rana, and someone called Matthew on Times Radio.

Yes, let me say a good morning to Manvine Rana, morning, morning. Hello.

And this week, someone called Matthews. Of course, Matthew Parris, morning, Matthew.

Good morning. Let's start with the Government's Illegal Immigration Bill. Judges will no longer

be able to deport migrant, migrant, migrant to board. After Vichy, oh no, let me start

that again. Judges will no longer be able to block migrant deportations. After Vichy

soon had caved in to Conservative MPs, he'd threatened to rebel over his legislation to tackle

small boats. Matthew, what's interesting about this is it's an appear he needed to caving

because there were enough of them. So what's going on? Yes, but then he would probably

had to rely on a few labour votes, a bit of labour support as well, which he wouldn't

have got. No, there weren't enough of them, but I think Rishisunak's whole instinct,

I'm not sure I agree with him, but I think his whole instinct is not to divide the party

and try to keep people together. And if by means of a couple of concessions, and there

were concessions that he didn't make, a couple of concessions, he can get the party all

voting in the same lobby, think the headlines we might have given it if there had been a

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