Tess Wilkinson-Ryan (on the sucker narrative)

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

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🗓️ 9 February 2023

⏱️ 107 minutes

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Tess Wilkinson-Ryan (Fool Proof) is a law professor, moral psychologist, and author. Tess joins the Armchair Expert to discuss the concept of the sucker narrative, how she approaches teaching contract law to her students, and what societal norms are universally accepted for parenthood. Tess and Dax talk about how much responsibility is on an exploiter versus the victim of a scam, why government is held to a different standard than big business, and the thin line between scammer and sucker. Tess explains why people feel shame when they are duped, the difference in consumer protections for men and women, and the cultural bait and switch of motherhood. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0:00.0	Welcome, welcome to armchair expert experts on expert. I'm
0:04.4	I'm joined by Monica Padman.
0:06.0	Hello.
0:06.7	We have an incredible guest on today.
0:08.8	Tess Wilkinson Ryan, who is the University of Pennsylvania law professor and moral psychologist.
0:16.4	She has a really cool book out right now called Foolproof, how fear of playing the sucker
0:22.3	shapes ourselves in the social order and what we can do about it.
0:26.2	I love this topic.
0:27.2	Yeah.
0:28.2	I have a big sucker trigger.
0:30.2	I'm a victim of this all the time. I think the person that just gave me the bid
0:34.3	thinks I'm stupid and weak and they're trying to play me a fool and then I'll fight to the
0:38.9	death over it. And it's a biased thinking that is illogical and against our better interest a lot of the time.
0:46.6	I know she tells us about it.
0:48.1	I think everyone will relate.
0:49.2	Yeah, even if you aren't on your side of the scale,
0:53.2	uh-huh, everyone can relate.
0:55.3	Everyone has it.
0:56.2	Yes.
0:57.2	And in fact, she talks about how the sucker narrative weaves its way into almost any
1:01.8	issue we have.
1:02.8	Political, gender, race, all of it.
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