Hello and welcome back to Franklin Covey's twice weekly podcast on leadership

with Scott Miller. That's me I'm your host and interviewer each week where on

Tuesdays and Fridays we produce and distribute episodes both in audio and video format where Franklin

Covey shines their mega-bright spotlight onto thought leaders from all different venues and genres around the world. on the

thought leaders from all different venues and genres around the world to make you a better leader.

Franklin Covey, of course, the world's most trusted leadership firm,

our desire is to help you become more highly effective, to become a better leader formally or informally at work in your life and your family at your home and your marriage.

And so twice weekly we try to interview people that bring a different insight, academic background, research, best practice,

perhaps sometimes they've survived an experience where a trauma and lived to share about it all in the hopes of making you a better leader.

Today our guest is the author and marriage and family therapist Terry Reel.

He is the author of the New York Times Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling book,

Us, Love this tagline, Getting Past You and Me to Build a more loving relationship. Terry Rio welcomed on leadership.

Well thank you Scott, it's great to be here.

Now you have something interesting in common with me,

and it's, you know a lot of interesting people.

I think there's a commonality between Bruce Springsteen

and perhaps Gwyneth Paltrow.

Talk about the two roles that they both played in the publication of your most

recent release, Us.

Well, Buenos is the head obviously of Group and us is a random house group publication.

I've done a lot of work for them, written for them, and one day group

emailed me and said, we would love to have you write something. You got a book in yet and I said sure okay let's go and so

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