Well, we have a pro football hall of famer on the set here with us.

Great Terrell Davis.

I'm excited too.

I wanted to ask you about the game of football has changed a lot since you played. It feels like with some teams running the ball is not as important as maybe it used to be. We went through a cool transition I thought this year with Ben Johnson as the head coach of the Bears in Chicago who really embraced the running game. Like that was really their identity. as much as the stories were about Caleb Williams and stuff.

They really wanted to run the ball.

What do you think about the state of the run game in the NFL right now? And coaches like Ben Johnson, to me, that are really trying to lean into it still because I still feel like the best teams run the ball well. I agree. You would think in this day and age when everything is throwing that there's a lot more opportunity to run the football. For example, most middle linebackers don't look

like the linebackers I run against. Like these guys aren't 350 pounds, you know, with the neck

rolls. They're more athletic linebackers. And so they're getting lighter. They're more equipped to

defend the past versus the run. So if I was an office of coordinator, I'm doing a little bit of throwback. I'm going to bring a fullback into a game. I'm going to bring a heavy package. I'm going to get me a back that loves to come downhill and thump. But the problem is, it's a very expensive proposition. And not with money, with time.

Yeah.

To work on a running game, coaches don't want to spend time working on running games.

And, you know what I mean?

Like, we can work on past games all the time, you know.

But the running game, you have to have pretty much all 11 on the field working on the run game. So you'll appreciate this because we found out about this about mid-season. Ben Johnson actually installs the run game. And most people I've talked to about that, have been like the head coach is installed. Like usually it's a run game coordinator, your old line coach or something like that. He actually installs it. And like we

talked to some of the tight ends on the team like Cole Komet and he talked about the details,

about every angle you're taking for every block. So what you're saying is what I think the

Bears are trying to accomplish this year with all 11 on the field. Same thing in the receivers.

If they don't block, they don't get the ball. So again, to your point, our running game was installed basically in team.

Our receivers were in the room with the run games.

It wasn't like the receivers had the run game and they were just like, you know, looking at,

plays and trying to treat it as a throwaway.

If you weren't running, if you weren't involved in a run game,

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