Hello and welcome to another episode of App Stories.

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I'm John Voorhees and with me is Federico Vetici. Hey, Federico. Hello, John. How are you? I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. It's another week of many projects. And, you know, we got through last week with all of our holiday projects. And I know both of us have been continuing to work on some of those things.

There's already a couple of new things.

Well, I was going to say we've continued to work on the old things.

We've started some new projects and we can kind of talk about those along the way, probably.

But I thought it would be better today to talk a little bit about process and tools because I know I heard from

a couple of people who said, oh, what, you know, what app are you using? What kind of how are you

doing this? What's your technique for dealing with like Claude code and things? Because obviously,

all this stuff is very new, both to you and me, but it's but it's new to everybody because it's not been around all that long.

And changing quickly.

And changing incredibly rapidly.

Even since the last time we recorded, there have been changes to Claw and Cod Cod.

And other aspects of Cod.

So, and Codex, of course.

So I'm always thinking about Cod Cod Cod these days still, Federico, because I haven't taken the codex plunge really yet, although I'm about to, as kind of a backstop to reviewing some projects that I have in the process.

But we can talk about both of those things.

But I thought the place to start is to talk to people about the terminal on the Mac.

Because the thing about the terminal, I will, I will readily...

Like it or not, you got to use it.

Yes.

I will readily admit that I was scared of the terminal for many years.

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