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Disordered: Anxiety Help

"Temping Fate" In Anxiety Recovery? (Episode 140)

Disordered: Anxiety Help

Josh Fletcher and Drew Linsalata

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.9665 Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Have you ever felt anxious about admitting you're doing better? Like saying "I'm okay" out loud might somehow jinx your progress or tempt fate?

In this episode, Drew and Josh explore that uncomfortable feeling when someone asks "How are you doing?" and you're caught between wanting to acknowledge improvement and being afraid that talking about it will make everything fall apart again.

What we discuss:

  • Why the question "How are you?" can feel triggering when you're recovering from an anxiety disorder
  • The superstition around "tempting fate" and what's really happening beneath it
  • How different contexts change what we mean by "doing okay" (spoiler: anxiety can be present while you're still doing okay)
  • The authenticity trap - feeling like you're lying either way
  • Why "I'm doing okay at the moment" might be the most honest answer you can give
  • How this fear shows up in OCD, health anxiety, panic disorder, and agoraphobia
  • The difference between attention-driven fear and superstitious fear
  • Why letting go of control can feel like tempting fate (and why that's exactly the practice)

Featured segments:

  • Community "Did It Anyway" stories highlighting real progress without promising outcomes
  • Discussion of how exposures work when they feel risky or reckless
  • Practical suggestions for navigating social questions about your wellbeing

This episode may be helpful for anyone struggling with the fear of acknowledging improvement, or who finds themselves avoiding conversations about their anxiety recovery.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello guys, my name's Susan. I'm from Ireland and I love your podcast. Thank you so much for what you guys do. I hope everyone had a lovely Christmas. I just have a question really. And it's about that feeling that I get whenever I think about talking to a friend and saying that I'm feeling better from anxiety. It makes me feel anxious, even if I'm feeling good and then I think about talking to my friend saying I'm feeling good, then it makes me feel anxious and it's almost like a jinx, like I'm scared to say that I'm feeling better. It's really annoying. And I was wondering if you had any experience or sort of what that is. Yeah, that's my question. Again, thank you guys for everything that you do.

0:38.8

And a very happy new year to everybody. Thank you.

0:42.1

It feels like you're tempting fate. If I say I'm doing all right, am I then going to jinx myself,

0:49.7

like Susan said?

0:53.8

Welcome to Disordered. This is episode 140. Is that right, Drew? 140? Yeah, that is correct.

1:01.7

Thank you. And thank you for the question there from Susan. The title of this episode is

1:08.1

Anxiety and Tempting Fate. My name is Joshua Fletcher, also known as

1:13.4

Anxiety Josh, and I'm a psychotherapist specializing in the world of anxiety and anxiety disorders.

1:18.5

I'm a previous sufferer, a co-host of this wonderful podcast, and I write books and yada, yada, yada,

1:26.2

and I'm joined by... I am drew linsalata the other half of

1:29.5

disordered also a therapist that specializes in anxiety anxiety disorders in New York and a former

1:34.6

sufferer of these things and an author and all of those things and yeah today we're going to

1:39.0

talk about tempting I don't feel like to in the intro today so today we're going to talk about

1:43.4

tempting fate.

1:44.7

If you've listened to 130,

1:46.0

yeah, go back and listen to any of the other ones.

1:48.1

You know who the hell we are.

1:49.2

But today we're going to talk about the idea that, like,

1:51.6

people get a little bit nervous about tempting fate with their recovery or their anxiety.

1:56.5

I love this question from Susan.

1:58.2

It's something I can relate to personally.

2:00.3

I used to get, mini triggered with my anxiety, even when I was going in a good place,

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