You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender. This week, Dan sits down with

Dr. Craig Dutweiler, who was recently inaugurated as the third president of the Seattle School of

Theology and Psychology. Craig shares about how he was captivated by the art of filmmaking from a young

age, and he and Dan reflect on how storytelling can help deepen our imagination for new ways of being in the world.

Well, I have a phenomenal privilege to be with my boss.

And do you have bosses? I can't believe that.

Oh, come on. I bet I have more bosses in this organization than almost anybody.

From the board, which you have, and then speaking with Dr. Craig Detweiler, our new president,

and so you're my boss. I have an academic dean boss. Kathy's my boss, and actually Jeanette's my boss.

So I don't think there's anybody who has technically more bosses than I do.

That may be true.

Yeah.

I mean, can you think of... Maybe not, but I will hold that position loosely, my role as boss.

I prefer colleague.

Let's just say, you know, somebody who's probably a little more oriented to rebel,

I'm actually a really good employee. I mean,

I follow as much as I can the directions offered. But again, the privilege of interviewing

you, Craig, and I've told this story many times you've heard me tell it, but I was with your

editor, and he looked at me over a table, leaned forward, and just looks at me and goes, how did you get him?

No context, by the way.

Just how did you get him?

And I knew the instant that he said it.

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