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🗓️ 14 January 2025
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Technofeudalism—you might already have some sense of what the term means, even if you haven’t sat down and unpacked it fully. A mode of production with one hand in the past and another the future—an updated form of feudal relations married to an advanced epoch of the productive forces that mark late capitalism—forces that we often associate with futuristic feats of technology. Except this is not some kind of techno-utopia—it’s really a dystopia.Â
Is capitalism over? Have we entered into a new mode of production defined by feudal relations and the technological forces of the algorithm? Did capitalism die, before our very eyes, in 2008? These are all questions that we tackle in today’s episode with a very special guest who’s written a book about all of this.Â
Yanis Varoufakis is a self-described anti-economist and author of many books. He was a member of Syriza and was Greece's Minister of Finance between January 2015 and July 2015, negotiating on behalf of the Greek government during the 2009-2018 Greek government-debt crisis. Since 2018, he has been Secretary-General of Democracy in Europe Movement 2025 (DiEM25) which is a left-wing pan-European political party he co-founded in 2016. His latest book is Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism, which we’ll be discussing in today’s episode.Â
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0:00.0 | Through this exposure to what Alexa does, or Google Assistant does, or Citi does, I started |
0:26.6 | realizing that this is no longer capitalism. |
0:28.6 | Because here you've got a fifth of it, owned by man. |
0:31.6 | Who is a capitalist? |
0:32.6 | Jeff Bezos is a capitalist. |
0:34.6 | There's no doubt about that. |
0:35.6 | But the capital he owns is not a produced means of production, |
0:37.9 | it's a produce means of behavioural modification. |
0:40.9 | So it's more like a feudal lord from the Middle Ages, because he doesn't produce anything. |
0:46.3 | Jeff Mesa doesn't care what you buy, as long as you buy it off Amazon. |
0:49.6 | So essentially he's created a fiftem in which he has enclosed you, me, the producer of the |
0:55.8 | elected bicycle, booksellers, news agents, newspapers, millions of producers and millions of |
1:03.2 | consumers. We are all encased in there and at the same time it's very interesting too in getting |
1:09.7 | you to engage with a platform |
1:10.9 | so that you replenish its cloud capital with your free labor. |
1:13.6 | So you're a cloud surf. |
1:14.8 | This is no longer capitalism. |
1:16.4 | And, you know, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to technofeudialism. |
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