TECH006: Open-Source AI That Protects Your Privacy w/ Mark Suman (Tech Podcast)

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Stig Brodersen

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🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Mark Suman, co-founder of Maple AI and OpenSecret, shares his insights on how to build cutting-edge AI without sacrificing user privacy. From secure enclaves and attestation to real-world use cases in law and finance, Mark outlines the technical and ethical foundations of private AI, and why efficient inference, not just open models, is the next big frontier. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:57 - How Mark’s Time at Apple Shaped His Vision for Secure, User-First AI 00:06:06 - Why Verifiable AI Matters for Protecting User Data 00:07:38 - The Privacy Threats of Centralized AI Models 00:15:26 - What Maple AI Does That Other AI Tools Don’t—End-to-End Encrypted, Verifiable Privacy 00:17:30 - The Threat Models Maple Addresses and How Enclaves + Attestation Work 00:19:51 - Why Inference Speed and Efficiency—Not Open Weights—Are the New AI Battleground 00:24:05 - Where Decentralized AI Fits Into Today’s Landscape 00:25:12 - A Step-by-Step Guide to Getting Started with Maple 00:29:13 - How Users Change Behavior When They Trust the AI System 00:32:42 - The Risks and Critiques of TEEs—and How Maple Answers Them 00:37:35 - Which Professions Benefit Most from Private AI 00:45:27 - Mark’s Vision for Verifiable, Private AI Over the Next Decade Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES X Account: Mark Suman. Website: Maple AI. Related⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ mentioned in the podcast. Ad-free episodes on our⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Premium Feed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. NEW TO THE SHOW? Join the exclusive ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Mastermind Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Follow our official social media accounts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bitcoin Fundamentals Starter Packs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Finance Tool⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy exclusive perks from our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠favorite Apps and Services⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Get smarter about valuing businesses in just a few minutes each week through our newsletter, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠best business podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: Simple Mining Unchained HardBlock Kubera Vanta Shopify reMarkable Onramp Public.com Abundant Mines Horizon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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0:00.0	You're listening to TIP.
0:02.7	Hey everyone, welcome to this Wednesday's release of Infinite Tech. Just like Bitcoin separated
0:07.6	money from the state, decentralized inference is now separating AI from big tech. It's a quiet
0:13.5	revolution shifting control of intelligence itself from the centralized data centers to
0:18.0	individuals and small developers who can run powerful models privately,
0:22.3	securely, and anywhere in the world. Today I'm joined by Mark Suman, founder of Maple AI, to
0:27.8	unpack how this is being possible through trusted execution environments, secure hardware that protects
0:33.4	both data and computation. It's a glimpse into the foundation of a truly open AI ecosystem, and so without further delay,
0:40.8	let's jump right into the interview.
0:46.0	You're listening to Infinite Tech by the Investors Podcast Network, hosted by Preston Pish.
0:51.7	We explore Bitcoin, AI, robotics, longevity,
0:55.9	and other exponential technologies through a lens of abundance and sound money.
1:01.2	Join us as we connect the breakthroughs shaping the next decade and beyond,
1:05.3	empowering you to harness the future today.
1:08.2	And now, here's your host, Preston Pish.
1:20.0	Hey, everyone. Welcome to the show. I'm here with Mark Suman, and I'm really excited to have this
1:25.7	conversation, sir, because this is such an important topic,
1:30.5	like crazy importance. And I think it's only getting started, but I think everybody's going to
1:36.4	come to the realization how important this topic is in the coming five to 10 years. So,
1:40.8	welcome to the show. I'm excited to have you here and really excited to get into this.
1:45.6	Thank you. Yeah. I'm excited to be on here. I've listened to your show quite a bit. So it's
1:49.6	cool to be on here and chatting with you. So I'm honored, sir. I'm honored. Let's start here because
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