Instead of starting with the technology solution, which seems to always, quote-unquote solution,

by the way, that orientation always seems to get us in trouble when you start saying, like,

how can we use hyperloop? How can we use self-driving cars? Like, how can we use flying taxis?

Instead, why don't we say, what are we trying to achieve societally and what's the best way to go about doing that?

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is David Zipper.

David is a visiting fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Tubman Center for state and local government.

He's also a contributing writer at Bloomberg City Lab and writes about transport, tech, and policy in a number of other publications.

You can find all of his articles at David Zipper.com and sign up for his free newsletter there as well.

In recent years, there have been a bunch of promises around how new technologies are going to improve the transportation system,

increase, safety, and reduced traffic, among many other things.

But they've often not been able to follow through on those promises.

Whether that's new technologies to manage the transportation system, whether that's new technologies

to put in the car directly, this has been the way that we've been told we need to solve

the problems in our

transportation system. But they've largely led us in the wrong direction. I was so happy to

have David Zipper on the show to discuss so much of this, because he writes about many

angles of this discussion for many different publications. And I think that his writing is really essential to understanding many of the drivers behind this,

but also how this focus on technology over policy and politics fails to solve these real problems.

And even just to look at the more mundane technologies that could be improving things,

rather than,

you know, expecting the next big kind of revolution that is going to come from some Silicon

Valley company or something like that. In this conversation, we talk about a whole load of different

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