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Hard Fork

The New York Times

Technology

4.35.7K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2026

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

In Minneapolis, it has become a battle of phone versus phone.

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0:00.0

I'm going monk mode. That's what I'm calling it when I, because I need to finish this book. So I'm like,

0:07.0

So you're embracing celibacy? No, I'm locking myself in an Airbnb and I'm writing 14 hours a day.

0:17.0

And now that's actually the premise of The Shining, the Stephen King novel. So how is it working out for you?

0:21.7

It's not great. Are you seeing any rivers of blood flowing down the hallways yet?

0:26.8

Red Rom. But no, it's going well. I'm in the home stretch now. I can sort of see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's very nice.

0:35.4

And tell us about the experience of like, because I've, you know, been in similar situations where you sort of look yourself in the mirror and you're like, all right, Newton, shape up. Now, it's time to buckle down. No more visiting your little comfort websites anymore. You actually got to, you know, make the clicky, clacky noise on the keyboard. Does that actually that actually work for you? Yes, I figured out a productivity stack that works for me.

0:56.7

Let me tell you about it.

0:58.4

So I bring my big-ass curved monitor.

1:01.4

I sit myself down.

1:02.9

I put on my noise-cancelling headphones.

1:05.2

You have a silent disco.

1:07.3

I listened to somebody told me by the killersers on a repeat, like infinite loop,

1:13.0

and I imbibed dangerous quantities of the Celsius energy drink,

1:19.3

and I write until I fall asleep.

1:21.0

Now, what is it about The Killers Somebody Told Me?

1:23.8

I don't know.

1:24.3

If younger listeners, you know, if you haven't heard somebody

1:27.7

told me, it's a song about how Brandon, the lead singer of the killers, somebody told him

1:33.7

that they had a girlfriend that he had in February of last year. Yeah. Yeah. And there's something,

1:39.3

that's like a code phrase and it triggers something inside you. It like it like activates you like a sleeper agent.

1:45.1

Yes, exactly. Honestly, so here's the thing. Yeah. This is a tip that I picked up from Michael Lewis,

1:49.9

the famous author. He said that he listens to let it go from Frozen over and over again while he

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