This is simple. I'm Tish Oxen Rider.

Hey friends, in this episode I'm chatting with my friend and co-host Andrea Devink

who's also the managing editor of the Art of Simple and as always on the show

we're talking about what we wrote about this week.

I shared with you a list and review of all the books I read while I was on sabbatical in July.

I read a lot of books.

So in this episode, I deep dive a bit more into one that really resonated with me.

It's called the Techwise Family by Andy Crouch and it's about how to keep technology in its

proper place at home.

So I talk with Andrea here about the different steps my family is

taking to keep away screen addiction and prioritize healthy

relationships and personal wellness regarding our relationship with tech. And then Andrea shares something a little similar.

This week, she wrote about a recent revelation

she's had, that her smartphone has become a barrier

to her creativity.

It used to be a portal for it, but now she says it's become a block.

So Andrea chats with me about why she thinks that is, what she plans to do about it, and the article

written five years ago that changed her

perspective on screens. We'll get right into it but first a quick reminder to make

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