And I have no illusions about the fact that in order for hope to be realized, courage is required. Okay, let's find out courage on whose part. Yes. Who must summon that courage? Jews or Arabs? Who do you think it's going to be, guys? First of all, we're scarier. No, no, no, no, no. These are scarier. So I mean like, bear or man, you know? First of all, the Arabs.

As long as they see us as an eternal enemy, the two genders.

Two genders, Jews and Arabs.

As long as they see us as an eternal enemy framed in a theological process leading to our annihilation,

it will be hard to break the cycle we're trapped in.

So just pause there for a second.

So first of all, the Arabs.

Yeah.

The Arabs writ as large as you fucking can writ something.

Yes.

See us as an eternal enemy. Oh, man. He didn't get the Sunni memo. He's like, oh, bro, Saudis are cool now. It's for all stuff. Yeah, right. It's not all Arabs. Shia later. Shia later. Framed in a theological process leading to our annihilation, that's the root of the conflict, Mookie. Exactly. The Arabs are

are all anti-Semitic. Yeah, their eschatology is what's leading them to hate you. Not what you've

fucking done to them, are doing to them, have promised to continue to do to them, not what your

existence on that soil and the structure of your country imposes upon them every minute of

their lives from before they're born until after they die and future down the generations.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No.

It's, I mean, this is the, it's, it's funny to do an interview with somebody who you're like,

this is a, you know, a stalwart,

a leftist, you know, Zionist labor leader.

And then you ask them this question and they just spit back talking points.

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