Teaser - The Gray Lady v. Trans Life w/ Vicky Osterweil (02/20/23)

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🗓️ 21 February 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Today's patron episode went extra long, so we felt the best thing to do considering the topic was to post the whole first half as today's public "teaser." Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: www.patreon.com/posts/78966968 Bea and Jules speak with Vicky Osterweil about the recent open letter to the New York Times critical of apparent bias in paper's reporting on trans people. In the first half, we get into the letter, the coverage that provoked it, and the Times' dismal response to the criticism so far. In the second half, we get into the conceptual problems with the coverage and some of the deeper issues in the liberal "just asking questions" framework. Get Health Communism here: www.versobooks.com/books/4081-health-communism Runtime 1:58:49, 20 February 2023 🧬

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0:07.2	The strategy of dissimulating, you know, by, oh, this one's just journalism and this one's
0:13.1	about ethics and this is actually just, it was already scheduled. You know, this constant sort of
0:17.6	noise to sort of hide what's really going on misses the point, which is that
0:21.7	once the piece is published in this world, it is going to do more damage than any of us could
0:28.3	hope to fix by even getting a withdrawal or anything. At this point, like the damage is done,
0:33.3	no matter what anyone's feelings or opinions were on that. And if the Times doesn't know that, that's probably a greater condemnation of them than if they do.
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1:39.5	So today, Jules and I are joined by friend of the panel, Vicky Osterwile, to talk about a recent open letter
1:45.9	to the New York Times sent by contributors, writers, and journalists who have worked with the paper
1:50.6	in the past, expressing serious concerns about editorial bias in the newspaper's coverage of trans people
1:56.7	and the resulting drama that has followed. Vicky is the author of the book, in defense of looting,
2:03.0	and she has been a writer and media worker for a very long time. She is currently working on her
2:07.4	next book called The Extended Universe, coming in 2024 from Haymarket. Vicki, welcome back to
2:13.2	the death panel. It is so great to have you back on the show. Oh my God. It's so nice to be here
2:17.1	with you and Jules, even if the back on the show. Oh my God. It's so nice to be here with you
2:17.5	and Jules, even if the circumstances are as often an ideal. I'm always, we're always finding
2:24.2	ourselves in this position and having to apologize. You know, you come spend an hour with us,
2:29.1	having a lot of fun, raging about the worst thing that you could possibly talk about right now.
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