Teaser - The Anti-State State w/ Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore (01/26/26)

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🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/149118289 In the shadow of the federal occupation of Minneapolis and a year of catastrophic expansion of the carceral state, Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore about their concept of “the anti-state state,” the process of the state’s transition from supporting social welfare to policing its provision, and why abolition is the only way. Runtime 2:32:41 We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Show links: Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

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0:00.0	To hear the full episode, become a patron at patreon.com slash death panel pod.
0:06.5	Welcome to the death panel.
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0:43.9	I'm Beatrice Sadler-Boltan, and I'm honored today to be joined by my two guests, Ruth Wilson
0:48.4	Gilmore and Craig Gilmore, to talk about an important idea in their work called the anti-state
0:53.4	state.
0:59.1	Ruthie is a professor of geography, American Studies, and Africana Studies at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York.
1:01.3	She is co-founder of several organizations, including the California Prison Moratorium Project,
1:06.1	Critical Resistance, and the Central California Environmental Justice Network.
1:10.4	She is the author of the book Golden
1:11.9	Gulag, Prison, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing California, and Three
1:16.8	Decades of Her Work is Gathered in the book Abolition Geography, Essays Toward Liberation. Ruthie,
1:22.8	welcome to the death panel. It is so great to have you back on the show. It's great to be
1:26.4	back. Thank you, Beatrice. And Craig is an organizer and independent researcher. It is so great to have you back on the show. It's great to be back. Thank you, Beatrice.
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