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Teaser - Texas w/ Jules Gill-Peterson (02/28/22)

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🗓️ 1 March 2022

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: www.patreon.com/posts/63185114 We speak with Jules Gill-Peterson about Texas Governor Greg Abbott's declaration last week that affirming the identities of trans children is child abuse and her recent piece "We, the Abuser State." Jules Gill-Peterson is Associate Professor of History at Johns Hopkins University, General Co-Editor at Transgender Studies Quarterly, and the author of Histories of the Transgender Child. Pre-orders are now live for Bea and Artie's book, Health Communism, out October 18th from Verso Books. Pre-order Health Communism here: bit.ly/3Af2YaJ Runtime 1:30:38, 28 February 2022 🧬

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0:00.0

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0:06.2

Can't know themselves and can't consent. And this is also, you know, really formalized in this

0:11.8

AG letter, which talks about their lack of consent under these sort of frameworks of mental

0:17.5

incompetence, madness, putting their parents even under these frameworks. And so you really

0:21.6

see some of the other apparatuses that we've used for a long time to remove designations of

0:27.8

personhood, remove designations and qualifications for social rights and social life, whether that's

0:33.4

economic participation, voting rights, your actual liberty, whether you're, you know, committed

0:38.4

to an institution or incarcerated, right? These are kind of existing frames when the state right now

0:43.8

is trying to essentially compel consent to expand these, you know, weaponized state institutional

0:51.7

processes against a type of personhood that it wants to incorporate

0:55.2

under these sort of like frames that it's sort of asserting as if they are natural and true,

1:00.5

but there are these sort of complete fabrications of conservative imagination. Yes. I mean,

1:05.9

thank you for saying that. I think this is the crux of the issue for me. And so it's one of the reasons I'm so excited

1:14.0

to be talking with you all today. And I really think I'm really, right, because there's this

1:20.0

broader context we've been talking about. Look at all these machinations and political

1:23.7

projects and, you know, changes in state power and forms. But yes, all of that is true.

1:29.1

But when it comes right down to it, you know, my bone to pick is that is not, like,

1:34.0

that's not the stratum that moves me to care, right?

1:37.5

The strata that moves me to care is much more immediate.

1:40.8

I don't want to live in a world that declares entire populations of people incompetent, undesirable, and subject to dispossession for virtue of existing. To me, that is an evidence of a sort of collective delusion about reality and a flight from reality and a refusal to understand the collective responsibility for harm that we all bear in upholding a world that creates these cleavages in which, you know, the purpose of society is to police itself, is to wage an internal war upon itself, to cleanse itself of those deemed inadequate and undesirable.

2:22.8

That is the fundamental root at which I find it so repugnant because there's nothing wrong with and there's nothing, you know, undesirable about being trans in the same way that there is

2:35.3

nothing wrong with or undesirable about being disabled or about being sick or about being

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