Hey everyone, it's Aboo with a quick update and a little teaser for an episode that you'll be hearing in a couple of weeks.

So Leo and I are hard at work on our next interviews with Frank Herbert episode.

We're actually using documents that Leo found in the Fullerton archives for this next one.

And what you're about to hear is just a two-minute clip from that episode,

just to give you a taste for what's to come.

The interview that we're focusing on in the episode is actually a written piece for a magazine,

so there's no audio of Frank Herbert speaking, which makes it a little bit challenging to create

a podcast about it, but we came up with a creative solution.

We asked Leo's dad, Mick Wiggins, to read Frank's responses from that magazine interview.

It's not the voice of Frank Herbert, but it is his words.

So we hope you enjoy this little teaser clip and are looking forward to the full episode.

As always, thanks so much for listening.

We found this interview to be one of the more fascinating and lesser known pieces of

insight into the legendary author's worldviews, views that clearly made their way into Dune.

The conversation is full of contradictions and bold assertions,

but also some incredibly profound and progressive ideas. One of the most fascinating parts of the

interview is when Frank explains his views on our relationship with technology. He explains to

Stone the philosophy of techno peasantry, a phrase he coined.

To help explain this concept, Frank launches into a story.

As he tells it, he once taught a class at the University of Washington about utopias and dystopias.

He found himself frustrated that he wasn't able to get his students to overcome their preconceived

notions about technology.

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