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These aren't secrets to how we made some of these projects work.

This information is precious, but it's not so precious that we can't share it back out

so that people know, like, actually, harm reduction is a pretty essential part of how we get to abolition.

And that in order to do that, we need to reclaim what harm reduction is from public health

so that we understand what we really mean by a liberatory practice of harm reduction.

Thank you. a liberatory practice of crime reduction. The Welcome to the death panel.

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I have a wonderful, wonderful guest joining me.

Shira Hassan is the co-creator of Just Practice, a capacity-building project working at the intersection

of transformative justice, harm reduction, and collective liberation.

In 2022, Haymarket Books published

Saving Our Own Lives, a Libertory Practice of Harm Reduction, which is an anthology of essays

from Shira featuring many collaborators, telling the stories of how sex workers, drug

users, black, indigenous, and people of color, queer folk, transgender, nonconforming, and two-spirit people are and have been building systems of change and support outside of the societal frameworks of oppression and exploitation.

Cher is currently Transformative Justice Fellow at Interrupting Criminalization, founded by Maryam Kaba and Andrea Ritchie, where she runs the Transformative

Justice Help Desk to support abolitionists in their organizing projects to end violence without

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