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Thanks so much for all your support. Now here's a little bit of my

interview with Michael Kovil Anderson. Visionary politicians, man they don't

grow on trees anywhere on the planet, but we're seeing them emerge.

And there is a kind of a trend I've noticed in municipal politics, is that we're getting a lot of the

unusual suspects elected. In, you know, In Barcelona it was a people's movement who went into

politics and Oslo was like this weird left-wing alliance that never thought

they had a chance in Montreal as well a people's movement who went into politics. I really think that's a totally different conversation, but it is super interesting how urban dwellers are tired of the same old, same old from their, you know, standard political parties and are seeking

urban change by electing different people.

So these visionaries come in going, yeah, you know, let's just go for it.

Montreal and Oslo are two funny examples.

They both said, we got four years.

Nobody is ever going to elect us again because this was like just a one-off man so they just

go ballistic and visionary and then they get reelected in both cases you know

Montreal now you know the party runs the entire city and so that's that's

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