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And in fascist freedom, you, you know, you cite Mussolini's doctrine of fascism,

and there are several sort of quotes in that chapter.

Where are these sort of ideas of fascist freedom that are brought in?

I think, again, sort of draw this really important

corollary to the way that the current sort of health fascist formulation through Maha, which is not,

of course, unique to the United States or unique to the kind of RFK junior milieu, but it's

very much of them sort of taking advantage of a global movement around health and the body that I think has sprung up in the absence of a real articulation of care as people believe it should exist and sort of a response to broad organized abandonment in the context of health care.

But, you know, that that idea of freedom and fascist freedom, I think, is so

core to this formulation and is in some ways that direct connection that people are really looking

for, whether we're talking literally in the terms of sort of the invocation of work will set

you free that's being leveraged right now in the United States by Maha people that is, you know,

the kind of classic sign over the gate, welcoming you into the death camps in Nazi Germany.

But, you know, that there are more so than the kind of symbols and signs and aesthetics of it

that are connected, that there is a specific ideological connection when it

comes to these conceptualizations of freedom and specifically how the individual privatized

body in relation to the state and into the body politics sort of fits into that idea of

fascist freedom. Yeah, this nexus of fascism and freedom and what it might mean today, I think, of course,

that dimension of privatization, which is front and center of the inaugural statements, more or less,

of fascism, certainly the ones that accompanied the march on Rome in 1922, where really fascism is just presented

as, you know, the armed wing of economic liberalism. This is more or less what Mussolini

says. And where, of course, public violence for private capital is explicitly articulated in those terms. Of course,

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