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The New Abnormal

TEASER: Jelani Cobb: Jan. 6 Was the Beginning of GOP’s Mess, Not Ending

The New Abnormal

The Daily Beast

News & Politics

4.67.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 March 2021

⏱️ 4 minutes

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Summary

It’s not hard to see that the Republican party was the Party of Trump during the four years he was president. But what kind of party are they now? Honestly, it’s hard to tell. “When you looked at the platform for the 2020 election, they didn't create one,” says New Yorker writer and professor Jelani Cobb. There is one thing about today’s GOP, however, that is very clear: “They've doubled and tripled down on a type of politics that is very appealing to disgruntled white people or white identity politics.” If history repeats itself, as it often does, this tactic will bite them in their behinds. In this episode of The New Abnormal, Jelani chats with Molly Jong-Fast about the major similarities he sees between the current state of the GOP and parties of the past that no longer exist. Oof. “The Republican party [are] the modern version of the Whigs,” he explains. “They broke apart over debates about the expansion of slavery, and they could not figure out where they stood on these fundamental questions. They were incoherent internally. And so what was notable to me was the extent to which all those dynamics are present within the current Republican party.” And capitalizing on “white desperation,” is one of the ways it’s trying to remain in power, he adds. This explains the Jan. 6 riots and there’s some bad news: “It might be reasonable to look at January 6th as the onset of a particular kind of political violence rather than the culmination of something that's already concluded,” he says. Then! Molly asks Jelani about the Voting Rights Act and its fate, and he shares a history nugget that many people might not know about (Abraham Lincoln basically gave Black people the right to vote to offset white supremacists in the South, which he saw as a “direct threat to American democracy.”) History strikes again. “A lot more is at stake than we generally acknowledge,” says Jelani.


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0:00.0

What you're about to hear is a teaser for the bonus episodes we do for Beast Inside,

0:04.1

the Daily Beast Membership Program. And we thank you so much for being here.

0:08.6

Today we're delighted to have an extra special guest with Jolani Cobb from The New Yorker.

0:13.2

Jolani has written so many great articles, but today we want to talk to him particularly

0:17.1

about his latest on the Republican Party and how it could cease to exist, as well as with the

0:22.5

upcoming voter rights bill means for people. To hear this along with all of our past bonus episodes

0:27.8

with guests like Cory Booker, Billy Eichner, and Q&A's with Rick and Molly, as well as gaining

0:33.1

full access to the Daily Beast's fearless journalism. And to newabnormal.dailybeast.com.

0:39.3

That's newabnormal.dailybeast.com.

0:42.5

Welcome Jolani. Thank you. I'm so happy to have you. I'm a huge fan and I always, I feel like you

0:50.8

write what I would write if I were smarter and a better writer and also had a real history background

0:57.6

which you can tell. You have an amazing piece in The New Yorker this week. Can we talk a little

1:02.7

bit about it? Sure. What gave you this idea to write this piece? So you know we were having a

1:08.3

conversation about where coverage needed to go and this was last year. I should say we,

1:13.1

it was a New Yorker editorial meeting and I was thinking about this saying like we can't

1:20.0

predict the future, you know, of American politics but we have enough of a track record to look

1:25.2

backward and see if there are overlapping dynamics or similar dynamics and you know I thought about

1:32.0

it and was and just popped into my head and I said is the Republican Party the modern version of the

1:37.6

Wigs and you know one of the things that most people don't know is that you know we talk about the

1:44.6

two-party system in the United States and obviously that's not prescribed by the Constitution.

1:50.7

The Constitution doesn't say anything about a two-party system and as a matter of fact the founders

1:55.9

were opposed to political parties. They thought that parties would bring about the destruction of

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