TEASER: How Music Videos Explain the War Between Armenia and Azerbaijan

Angry Planet

Matthew Gault

War, Politics, Conflict, Government, History, News

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🗓️ 27 October 2020

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Armenia and Azerbaijan are at war. Why? It’s complicated. What’s the nature of the conflict? That’s also very complicated. It’s so complicated, in fact, that Russia, Syria, and Turkey are all involved. And it threatens to pull in their allies, all over a war that’s been “frozen” since 1988.

Here to help us untangle all of this is Aram Shabanian, a graduate student of Non-Proliferation and Terrorism Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey. He also runs The Fulda Gap, a site dedicated to using OSINT to understand modern war. And he’s a member of the Armenian diaspora community in the United States.

Recorded 10/16/20
The Roots of the conflict
Nagorno-Karabakh
Why this war got so violent so fast
Extrajudicial killing
How the war was announced via a music video on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSh5tm2Hmn0
Why 2020 has been going on for at least four years
The Iran of it all
Military spending on either side
What happened when the Soviet Union ended
The regional players, explained
How this all ends

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0:00.0	Love this podcast support this show through the a cast supporter feature
0:05.1	It's up to you how much you give and there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now. How do you stop the war, right? You can't just rebuild the status quo.
0:20.0	Armenia is not going to be interested in pushing back the board. You can't just rebuild the status quo.
0:23.0	Armenia is not going to be interested in pushing back the borders to where they were on September 26th.
0:27.0	Armenia is going to have to do something to make Azerbaijan surrender to come to the negotiating table.
0:34.1	And that's what scares me so much,
0:35.4	is that it's just a grinding war that is finally
0:39.0	reaching what seems to be a crescendo,
0:40.6	and I don't see a way out of it at this point other than one side collapsing and there being government change drastic government change.
0:49.1	The problem with that is as we know from history typically when one military forces another country's government
0:54.9	to collapse, the government that comes up in place of the one that collapses, not any friendlier
0:59.7	to the enemy military.
1:01.0	They're not like, hey, you collapse our country, let's be friends. It
1:04.7	doesn't ever work that way. So I don't really see a way for this to be ended
1:10.3	without outsiders, without outside powers sitting Armenian Azerbaijan down at the table and forcing them to negotiate.
1:18.0	I would say war has resumed. I would say that it looks, if things continue on, as I believe believe they will this will be known as the second
1:25.0	Nagorno-Karabakh war with the first one being fought in the early 90s.
1:28.9	This is already a greater escalation than what we saw in 2016 and And I'm not a doctor in warfare, but I believe that the
1:37.7	escalations that we've seen with ballistic missiles being fired at either side, tanks
1:41.7	engaged in combat, and air strikes every day, or drone strikes every
1:46.8	day rather.
1:47.8	I think that, yeah, calling it a war is absolutely appropriate.
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