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So today I'm here with my co-host, Abby Cardis.

Hello.

And we're both so excited to be joined by Robert Chapman to talk about their book recently out from Pluto books called Empire of Normality, Neurodiversity, and Capitalism.

Robert is a neurodivergent philosopher based in the United Kingdom.

They write and teach about philosophy of medicine, neurodiversity theory, madness, and disability.

Robert, welcome to the death panel. It's so great to finally have you actually on the show.

Thank you. I'm really happy to be here. We've been speaking about this for quite a long time now.

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