What's your favorite place that you've ever visited?

Hmm. Probably Tokyo. Yeah, Tokyo is pretty amazing. Although I am torn by these two contradictory impulses.

One is the impulse to go somewhere where I do everything all the time.

And I come back, exhilarated and exhausted.

And the other one is to go to a place where there is nothing to do.

So I mentioned the weird hippie summer camp I went to.

It was on an island in a lake in eastern Ontario in the Thousand Islands. And there was just like some canoes. And, you know, there's a

mammograph machine. We published a newsletter. There were hammocks and there were, there was like

a little volleyball court where we played hippie cooperative

volleyball where the goal was just to keep the ball in the air and there weren't any teams or

scores and there was just nothing to do and it was great it was like it was the it was the only time

of my life that I've ever sliced time into these big, thick, generous slices where

there was never a worry about what was happening next or what I was missing. And it was

profoundly different from every other way I've ever lived before and since. And I, in my dreams,

I go back to the island. And I would love to go and do something like that again.

What's the name of the camp? Is it still there? Can you still send your kids there? No, it's long gone.

It's called Grindstone and we were killed by the, um, by the, uh, great recession in the late 80s.

Uh, and, uh, we had to sell the island. It was, it's like the enduring heartbreak of my life.

The people who own it now, I actually know.

They're the people who started the Smithsonian's digital program

and their, you know, copyright liberalization, open access activists.

And they let me come for a weekend once, a couple of years.

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