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Thank you. Totally. Look, it's exactly the same thing that happens now, because you want to build a new convention center in town. The first thing that people say is, well, why are we investing 500 million box building a convention center when we still have food banks?

You know, that's one of the classic dilemmas of urban development is, you know, you want to build a huge

infrastructure project, but how do you justify the amount of money that that is going to take?

And, you know, whereas nowadays, there are all sorts of fancy ways to look at the sort of cost

benefits of such projects.

In the 17th century, that didn't exist.

You know, the Pope said, I want a new square and that's that.

But, you know, there was a lot of popular discontent.

And unsurprisingly, a lot of people were unable to take the long view.

They didn't think, oh, well, this will be great because 25 years from now, we'll have more pilgrims.

They just thought, actually, we'd like the money now.

And a previous Pope, I mean, the wonderfully named Pope, Innocent the Tenth, for example,

who built the most beautiful fountain in Rome, the fountain of the four rivers.

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