Hello, everybody, and welcome to this edition of the ThoughtWorks Technology podcast.

I'm Ashok, one of your regular co-hosts, and I'm joined today by Evan.

Hi, it's Evan Botcher here from Melbourne and Australia.

I'm the head of engineering for ThoughtWorks in Australia.

I give a little background. I wrote an article a few years ago on platform teams that included the

concept of platform teams and do a lot of consulting around engineering organization design

and how to shape teams. So that's what I'm bringing to the conversation today.

Brilliant. And that seems to be quite relevant and topical, given the two guests that we have today

to discuss team topologies and who better to do that than the people who wrote the book

themselves.

So Matt Manuel, would you introduce yourselves to our guests, please?

To our listeners, sorry.

Sure.

Hi, it's Matthew Skelton here,

co-author of Book Team Deputies. I'm here with my co-author as well. Hi, I'm Manuel. I'm, like

Matthew said, the other co-author. And yeah, I do similar work to what I haven't mentioned,

helping organizations understand their sort of team structures and

how to achieve faster flow.

So maybe we just start with something just to give our listeners for people maybe who might

have heard of team topologies and maybe maybe even have sort of skimmed it a brief sort of overview

of the book and sort of what prompted what sort of prompted it in the first place

that's a great question so what I realized the other day was effectively our book is you can see

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