Team Ballmer vs. Team Sh*tting Bricks: An Argument with Mark Cuban
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pablo Torre
4.7 • 2.6K Ratings
🗓️ 5 September 2025
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
As the NBA announced an investigation in response to Pablo's reporting on Kawhi Leonard and the Clippers, he turned a Twitter war with the longtime Dallas Mavericks owner into an exclusive, impromptu debate. It was congenial and contentious, hypothetical and hyperbolic — and very, very revealing. About the secret world of billionaires and sports ownership. About oversight and due diligence and responsibility. About scams and sharks and toilets and, yes, Uncle Dennis.
• Previously on PTFO: The Richest Owner in Sports, the Silent Superstar and the Rotten Apple Tree
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. |
| 0:01.9 | I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. |
| 0:06.5 | If I'm wrong on this and you're right, then Steve is not as smart as I think he is. |
| 0:13.7 | Right after this ad. |
| 0:23.2 | There he is. |
| 0:24.5 | What's our problem? |
| 0:26.8 | Sorry, I don't have a great image here. |
| 0:28.9 | Just like last second. |
| 0:31.2 | This is, by the way, we're recording now. Are you good? |
| 0:31.8 | We're good to get to- |
| 0:32.2 | Yeah, good. |
| 0:32.8 | Okay, amazing. |
| 0:33.2 | Yeah, rock and roll. |
| 0:34.6 | Thank you for doing this. |
| 0:35.6 | It's rare that a Twitter interaction results in something like hopefully dialogue. |
| 0:39.9 | Yeah, I'm good for dialogue. |
| 0:41.2 | I don't have a dog in the hunt, right? |
| 0:43.7 | From a Mavs perspective, I hope they're cheating. |
| 0:47.4 | Right? |
| 0:48.1 | I mean, there's no reason for me to try to defend Steve Balmer other than for what I think is right. |
| 0:54.6 | What's your relationship like with Steve Bomber? |
| 0:56.9 | Fine. I mean, we get along. Nothing special, nothing over the top. Nothing like, hey, we do |
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