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Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

Teachers' Union Head On Education As A Tool Against Fascism

Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

WNYC Studios

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4.4663 Ratings

🗓️ 26 September 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Learning institutions, from public schools to universities, have been the site of several political fights in recent times.

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0:00.0

From WNYC Studios. I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Friday, September 26th.

0:15.6

Teachers are on the front lines of democracy. That's the argument made by Randy Weingarten,

0:22.8

president of the American Federation of Teachers,

0:25.5

former president of the local New York City chapter,

0:28.2

in her new book,

0:29.5

Why Fascists Fear Teachers, Public Education, and the Future of Democracy.

0:34.5

In it, she traces a long history of authoritarian leaders, Hitler, Mussolini, Putin,

0:40.2

and she cites right-wing activists here in the United States seeking to control or discredit

0:45.7

teachers. Why? Because she says education cultivates the habits of democracy, critical thinking,

0:52.3

pluralism, opportunity, and collective action. We'll talk with Randy

0:56.3

Weingarten about why she believes public schools are democracy's engine and what she thinks today's

1:01.6

attacks on teachers reveal about the political moment we're in and what she thinks anyone should do

1:06.8

about it. We'll also get into some issues in the news like why she recently quit the Democratic

1:12.4

National Committee. Randy Weingarten, welcome back to WNYC.

1:16.5

Oh, Brian, it is my honor. Every time I talk to you, I feel, you know, the connection to New York

1:23.3

City. So thank you for having me on. So, Andy, the book is on the bestseller list I see,

1:28.7

number 10 for nonfiction per the New York Times. Congratulations. Thank you. I have to ask if

1:34.8

you regret the title in light of calls to turn down the temperature after the assassination of

1:41.2

Charlie Kirk with the words, hey, fascist Couch, found on bullet casings.

1:48.2

Look, I very much regret and have stood up against political violence wherever it is from.

1:58.9

And I, and I, you know, when Mr. Kirk was assassinated, I was out there condemning it in the strongest

2:10.2

terms, asking my members all across the country to do whatever they can to de-escalate.

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