I'm Kim Masters, host of KCRW's The Business.

Happy to present the latest edition of our TV podcast, The Spin Off.

Now here's host Michael Schneider of TV Guide magazine.

From KCRW and KCRW.com, I'm Michael Schneider, and this is the spin-off.

Thank you. I'm Michael Schneider and this is the spin-off. Happy New Year, everyone.

We're back for the January 2014 edition of the spin-off.

I'm Michael Schneider, the Los Angeles Bureau Chief of TV Guide magazine.

And I'm here in the same room.

Believe it or not, we're all here together with

Joe Adalion of vulture.com. Hey, Joe, is that really you? Am I poking you right now? Yeah,

Shalom, Mike. I am here. And tackling the new year with style, it is A.J. Marischel of variety.

Hey, AJ, happy New Year. For the record, he was not physically poking Joe. This is the magic of the podcast. So we are here at our

remote taping of the podcast. This is the TV Critics Association gathering at the Langham Hotel in

Pasadena, California. And we're going to get to talk a little bit about the TCA press tour,

what it is and why we're here in just a minute. But also on the docket today,

as pilot season gets underway, we'll discuss why the networks are still developing shows the

old-fashioned way, and we'll also dig deep on the recent controversy behind Duck Dynasty.

All right, so first topic, the Television Critics Association Press Tour. So twice a year,

the reporters who cover TV,

including all of us here in the room, we sit in a chilly hotel ballroom for several weeks,

the broadcast and cable executives, they come out, they tout their new TV series, and it's pretty

valuable. You know, we get to talk to execs, producers, talent, but these days, a lot of reporters

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