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Hey, what next listener? It's Mary.

Just wanted to give you a quick heads up that today's show is going to sound a little bit different.

That's because our friends over at what next TBD, they had a great interview

that just couldn't wait until Friday.

So, we're going to switch things up a bit.

For the rest of the show, you're going to be hearing from Lizio Leary.

I'll be back tomorrow.

Earlier this fall, Timnitte Gebru submitted a paper for consideration for an academic conference,

not something that's particularly unusual for her.

Timnitte studies ethics and artificial intelligence.

So, this is the kind of thing she does.

But since she was working at Google, there were some standard pre-submission hoops to jump through.

Google wanted to review the paper, which Timnitte wrote with several of her colleagues and sign off on it.

And that's when Timnitte says she started getting pushback.

So, this was the week before Thanksgiving at 4.30pm randomly.

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