TBD | Tim Apple vs. Mark Facebook
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🗓️ 30 April 2021
⏱️ 19 minutes
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Summary
There was a time—back when Steve Jobs ran Apple and Mark Zuckerberg was in his early days as Facebook’s CEO— that Apple and Facebook were friends.. Or, at worst, frenemies. But as the companies grew, so did two competing views of how the internet should work.
What led to the rift between Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook? And will Apple’s new privacy rules undercut Facebook’s vision for the internet?
Guest:
Mike Isaac, tech reporter at the New York Times
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | I want to actually start by going back three years ago to this moment when Tim Cook, |
| 0:11.9 | CEO of Apple, goes on MSNBC. |
| 0:15.1 | We're looking at every app in detail. |
| 0:19.4 | What is it doing? |
| 0:20.4 | Is it doing what it's saying it's doing? Is it meeting the |
| 0:23.7 | privacy policy that they're stating, right? And so we're nodding. So I know you remember this. |
| 0:30.3 | Yep. That's Mike Isaac. He covers tech for the New York Times. He knows this moment well, |
| 0:35.6 | because in this interview, Tim Cook does something |
| 0:39.0 | unusual. He's talking to Chris Hayes and Kara Swisher about privacy. This was just after people's |
| 0:46.3 | personal data from Facebook was exposed in the Cambridge Analytica scandal, big scandal. And Kara says, |
| 0:52.3 | what would you do? What would I do? |
| 0:56.1 | I wouldn't be in a situation. |
| 0:59.2 | What did you think then? |
| 1:01.3 | Because I was like, whoa, that is aggressive for a CEO to say. |
| 1:05.9 | I mean, you know, you and I have both been covering business stuff for a long time. |
| 1:10.1 | And it feels really out of the norm for a CEO to just lob a grenade that aggressively |
| 1:17.8 | at another CEO, you know, that is not necessarily, at least at that time, a direct competitor. |
| 1:27.5 | What Cook was doing was starting a fight between Apple and Facebook, and by extension, |
| 1:33.4 | between himself and Mark Zuckerberg, over privacy. |
| 1:37.2 | I think Tim Cook does actually believe at least some of this philosophy around privacy and that how some of the ad tech companies |
| 1:47.8 | work in particular is more invasive than he would ever want his own company to be. |
| 1:54.3 | This fight came to a head this week when Apple released its new operating system, a system that |
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