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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

TBD | Is Elon Musk Unstoppable?

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

You can’t doubt the enthusiasm of Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency. You can question the legality of some of their early moves.  Guest: Makena Kelly, senior writer at WIRED.  Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Patrick Fort, and Cheyna Roth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, everyone. Just a heads up that this is a fast-moving news story. It's possible that some things might have changed by the time you listen. Also, yes, my voice is a little scratchy. Got a bit of a cold. Okay, here's the show.

0:17.7

On Monday, a group of employees from the government's general services administration were called into a meeting.

0:25.7

GSA oversees real estate, professional and tech services, and supplies for the federal government.

0:31.5

This team was focused on tech, and speaking to them was Thomas Shedd, a former Tesla engineer.

0:38.4

And so Shed got before them and started laying out not only his vision, but also the GSA

0:45.4

administrator's vision for what this agency could be.

0:48.8

That's McKenna Kelly, who writes about politics for Wired.

0:52.7

When he talked to the employees, Shed also echoed the views of his former boss, the richest man in the world.

1:00.3

Of course, Elon Musk is now heading Doge, and I think they share a lot of similar values and ideas of what they want this government agency to look like.

1:09.7

Doge, Musk's so-called Department of Government Efficiency,

1:12.9

has spread its arms and philosophy across numerous federal agencies in the past week,

1:18.4

including Into the GSA's Technology Transformation Services, or TTS, which Thomas Shed now heads.

1:26.8

TTS handles creating and improving digital services for the federal agencies.

1:31.9

I know there are a lot of acronyms in the story.

1:34.7

Just stick with me here.

1:36.8

They discussed turning GSA into an AI-first agency and having it mimic and mirror a, like a Silicon Valley software company.

1:48.8

The TTS workers were curious about what Ched had to say, but also nervous.

1:53.9

So a lot of the questions in this meeting weren't necessarily focused on the technical aspects of this vision, but more so focused on, okay, so what happens to us?

2:04.3

Like so many of the two million federal employees, they'd received an email from Doge

2:08.7

offering them the chance to resign by midnight on Thursday with an offer to be paid through

2:14.1

September. On Thursday afternoon, a federal judge delayed that deadline until a

2:19.5

hearing can be held on Monday. But beyond that, their futures aren't certain. And they were asking

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