Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo, and the Fights Over Song Credits

The Town with Matthew Belloni

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Society & Culture

4.3 • 847 Ratings

🗓️ 12 October 2023

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Matt is joined by Howard King, a music industry expert and trial lawyer who has represented Dr. Dre, Eminem, Snoop Dogg, and many major artists in the music industry, to shed light on the complicated world of copyright infringement in the music industry songwriting credits, and why Olivia Rodrigo had to give writing credits to Taylor Swift and Jack Antonoff for her songs “Deja Vu” and “1 Step Forward, 3 Steps Back.” Matt finishes with a review of the Taylor Swift Eras tour movie after attending the premiere and updates his prediction on the box office performance for the film’s opening weekend. For a 20 percent discount on Matt’s Hollywood insider newsletter, ‘What I’m Hearing ...,’ click here. Email us your thoughts! [email protected] Host: Matt Belloni Guest: Howard King Producer: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:14.2	It is Thursday, October 12. Back in the CD era, one of the first things I would do when I bought
1:21.0	one was to look at these songwriting credits. I was always curious which of my favorite artists
1:25.7	actually wrote their own songs, or if it was a band, how the members divvied up the credits.
1:31.2	Those credits are incredibly important in determining who gets paid what. If you're not familiar, every piece of recorded music generates two separate copyrights.
1:41.4	There's one for the sound recording. that's the audio itself, or the
1:45.3	masters, as they're called. Those rights usually belong to the record label or the artist, if they
1:50.4	have the leverage and a good lawyer. Then there's a separate songwriting copyright. That's for
1:55.5	the melody and lyrics, the composition of the song. And here's where it gets a little confusing.
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