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From Campside Media and Sony Music Entertainment, this is infamous,

and I'm Vanessa Rigoriatis.

And I'm Natalie Robimette and you're listening to the fourth episode of our four-part series on Taylor Swift. So last episode we left off with Taylor Swift on top of the world with her

record-breaking era's tour. She had successfully slayed her apparent dragons of

Kanye West, Scooter Braun, and Scott Borchetta.

And now we're bringing you a little bit about what's going on in Taylor's life today.

That's right, it's sort of the girl dinner of podcasts, a little bit of this and a little

bit of that with some olives on the side.

Exactly.

But we're going to start with a bit of a

controversial topic. So for years, since the days of the girls' squad, some

people have been opining and theorizing not in a factual way but in a purely speculative

way that Taylor Swift is a lesbian or at least bisexual.

Right and there's a whole world on Tik-Tock revolving around theories about Taylor Swift's sexuality.

That's right. People who believe that Taylor is queer call themselves gaily's

while people who believe she's straight are called Hetlers.

Oh my God, why is that?

What's Hetler?

Oh, heterosexual, I see, okay.

Exactly, exactly.

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