Even some of my mentors who are married and those who are not, everyone agrees that love is wonderful and everyone's ambivalent about marriage.

This is death, sex, and money.

Oh, I like money, yeah.

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot.

Looks like your wife's leaving me, mister.

And need to talk about war.

No, he's dead.

He's dead. Dead. Again.

I'm Anna Sale.

Tari Jones was a successful novelist after her first three books, but her fourth book

an American marriage is her first bestseller and she learned it was going to be a

bestseller before the book even came out.

She was in Las Vegas on a fellowship.

Okay, I was driving my car and I got a call and it was a block call.

So I said hello and she said hi this is Oprah just

like that and so I put on my hazard lights and I pulled over and she said that she had read my book then that she really loved it and

she wanted to use it for her book club and while she's talking to me all manner

of panhandlers are soliciting me for money.

They're tapping on the window.

I'm shooing them away.

I'm trying to make mean faces so they will back off.

And Oprah is just talking.

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