Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the Astrology podcast in this episode.

I'm going to be talking with Astrologer and Terrorreader, Joy Vernon, who's joining me here in

the studio in Denver today. Thanks for joining me. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for inviting me

over, Chris. Yeah, so you came out to Denver. You live in Washington, but you came out to Denver to

visit for the ESR conference that happened this past week. We go way back because you used to live

here in Denver until a couple of years ago when you moved away, and you actually ran the biggest

tarot meetup in Denver for many years. Yeah, that's right. The Denver tarot meetup, and I also

ran the Denver tarot gigs. Okay. Yeah, and those groups, or at least one of those groups is still going,

right? They both are, yeah. Okay, nice. Yeah, because Denver, it seemed like, was one of the more

largely due to your influence, one of the more happening places for tarot for a number of years.

Yeah, I like to think so. And yeah, we had a very large, very active group with a lot like the

Denver tarot meetup had maybe nine events a month at one point or even more. So yeah, it was very

active, very active group. Yeah. Yeah. So you have come back to Denver and you're like catching up

with old friends and stuff like that. And we were just at the coffee shop talking about a few

topics. And I was like, this would be great for the podcast. So I thought we'd just got, we do,

I've been doing this sort of like casual series where I have a casual astro chat with different

people over the past month. And I thought this would be a good opportunity to do one of those.

Awesome. All right. So first things first, one of the things I was catching you up on is I actually

started learning tarot earlier this year, starting around my birthday. Actually, this solar

return year has been in a Pisces perfection year with that Jupiter Neptune conjunction. And there

was something about that. But you know, when I first got into astrology, I started studying astrology

and tarot at the same time. But I felt like early on that I felt like I needed if I was going to

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