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WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Tariffs, Stagflation and the New AI-driven Economy

WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Gerard Baker, Editor at Large, The Wall Street Journal

Society & Culture, News

4.6591 Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

With emerging signs that Donald Trump's revolutionary tariff regime may be starting to take a toll on U.S. economic prospects, what's the outlook for the immediate future? And how is the latest wave of technological change, allied with a new strand of government activism, going to change longer term economic performance? On this episode of the Free Expression podcast, Gerry Baker speaks with financier and philanthropist Glenn Hutchins about what the recent jobs and inflation numbers might mean for the economy, what the Federal Reserve should do in response, what the widespread adoption of artificial intelligence and the renewed focus on national priorities will mean. And as a long-standing supporter of Democratic candidates and causes, he offers a few thoughts on the future of the Democratic party. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, this is Free Expression with Jerry Baker.

0:09.1

Hello and welcome to free expression from the opinion page of the Wall Street Journal.

0:12.5

I'm Jerry Baker, editor-at-large for the journal.

0:15.0

Thanks very much for listening.

0:15.9

If you're not already subscribing, please do subscribe at Apple, Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you do you're listening.

0:20.9

This week, we're going to take a look at what's happening with the US economy.

0:25.3

It's been a pretty interesting couple of weeks, statistically.

0:29.0

We've had, of course, the evidence from the Jobs Report a couple of weeks ago

0:33.3

that the rate of jobs growth slowed very significantly over the spring and early summer.

0:38.5

This, of course, led to an eruption from the White House and President Trump,

0:42.3

firing the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics that's responsible for producing those data

0:46.7

and appointing on an interim basis a Trump loyalist, I think it's fair to say, as someone to run that agency.

0:53.6

Nonetheless, whatever you think about the data,

0:55.4

and there are certainly some problems. These were very significant revisions, and we've seen a lot

0:58.9

of revisions in the data in the last couple of years. There does seem to be some evidence that

1:02.2

the US economy may be perhaps entering a rougher patch. We had negative growth in the first quarter.

1:07.5

We had reasonably solid GDP growth in the second quarter, but there's

1:11.0

been some evidence from consumer sentiment surveys, from some production surveys, and of course,

1:15.9

now from this jobs report that the economy may be slowing. Of course, the big question on everybody's

1:19.1

mind is, is this perhaps somehow related to Donald Trump's tariffs, which he imposed starting

1:25.3

earlier this year? We didn't, of course, get the massive Liberation

1:29.0

Day tariffs that he announced on April 2nd, but we of course have seen a very significant

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