Let's podcast alongside Joe Jillio.

I'm Joe Obias.

We are not inside Eifford Studios today.

We are remote.

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I could not do what I am doing today from the home office without a super awesome copiers plus

Ethernet cable, Joe. I had to unplug it from the printer real quick. I couldn't find my other one.

So I'm like, well, what do we got?

I don't have to print anything during the show, right?

So super, super cool, fancy Ethernet cable making this thing happen, Joe.

I couldn't sit outside and give you people the ambiance and atmosphere of this snow day

properly without my copiers plus mug. So here we are. Thanks to our friends.

Yeah, it's funny. I'm looking outside and I'm seeing kids sled down the street. I'm looking at

because the way my house is situated, it's down a hill. So it also makes for really, really good

sledding. And I'm in here doing a podcast because we are dedicated to you, OG listeners, to make sure that we provide you takes.

And certainly, Carolina, helping us with the take machine.

You knew this was kind of a, this was, this was like scary hours for the Tar Heels to go to Winston-Salem to play a fired up Wake Forest team. Nine o'clock, you know the juices were flowing, or at least I thought it was going to be the case. There were a lot more Tar Hill fans in that building than I initially thought, given how Wake is kind of turning things around this year. Pretty audible Tar Heels chant that was breaking through that I could hear from the TV. But that still wasn't enough to fire the tar heels up.

Elliot Cadeau starting out hot was not enough to keep things going.

And Wake Forest came out at halftime, dotted UNC on, I think, a 12-0 run.

And from there it was kind of ugly back and forth hanging on kind of stuff.

But just all around ugly basketball, which has been the trend for the Tar Hills and games like this, Joe, where nothing seems to go right. It turned the ball over a ton. And credit to wait, yet another player stepping up in this case, Cam Hilder, but I know all eyes are on Carolina. What the hell is wrong with him? Yeah, this is another one of those.

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