From WNYC Studios. I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Thursday, October 24th.

I want to acknowledge something happening in the presidential campaign that in other years

might have been a political knockout punch

this year, who knows? But Donald Trump's former chief of staff and Homeland Security Secretary,

General John Kelly, has decided to go public to say on tape that he thinks Trump would try

to govern like a fascist for sure. That's part of the quote. We're going to

play it, fascist for sure. And not just any fascist, Kelly says Trump would praise Adolf Hitler

in some of their conversations while in office. Is your head exploding? Kelly said these things

in an interview with the New York Times. here he is on Trump's authoritarianism.

The former president is in the far right area. He's certainly an authoritarian,

admires people who are dictators.

He has said that.

So he certainly falls into the general definition of a fascist, for sure.

Donald Trump's former chief of staff and Homeland Security Secretary of all things, General,

John Kelly, who decided he needed to break

his silence about things like those before the election. He told them to the New York Times.

We'll play what Kelly said about Trump and Hitler in a few minutes, but all this from someone

who Trump himself had appointed first as Homeland Security Secretary and then trusted enough to elevate

him to chief of staff. Of course, now Trump is trying to discredit him. And of course, he joins

a long list of former high-ranking Trump officials, starting with Vice President Mike Pence,

who now say Trump is unfit to serve. With that as prelude, Dana Milbank is here, the Washington

Post columnist and former White House correspondent during the Clinton and George W. Bush years,

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