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Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

Tanya Talaga: The Knowing

Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

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True Crime

4.8 • 7.1K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

If you’ve ever dug deep into your family history, you know that there are sometimes surprises. Author Tanya Talaga discovered that the life of her great-great grandmother Annie Carpenter was mostly unknown because she was Indigenous. It’s a struggle that many Indigenous people in Canada have: how do you learn about your family’s past without crucial records? Talaga’s incredible book, The Knowing lays out Annie’s story and Tanya’s journey to find the truth. 

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0:00.0

This is exactly right.

0:06.4

This story contains adult content and language.

0:09.9

Listener discretion is advised.

0:19.0

All of these schools had graveyards.

0:22.5

Like our schools now, you don't build a school and build a graveyard, but they did then.

0:33.4

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

0:39.0

I'm also the co-host of the podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right.

0:43.1

And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world.

0:49.8

On Wicked Words, I sit down with the people I've met along the way.

0:53.7

Amazing writers, journalists,

0:55.8

filmmakers, and podcasters who have investigated and reported on notorious true crime cases.

1:01.9

This is about the choices writers make, both good and bad, and it's a deep dive into the

1:07.6

unpublished details behind their stories.

1:16.3

If you've ever dug deep into your family history, you know that there are sometimes surprises. Author Tanya Talaga discovered that the life of her great-great-grandmother, Annie

1:22.7

Carpenter, was mostly unknown because she was indigenous. It's a struggle that many indigenous people in Canada have.

1:29.8

How do you learn about your family's past without crucial records?

1:33.7

Talaga's incredible book, The Knowing, lays out Annie's story

1:37.8

and Tanya's journey to find the truth.

1:42.7

So where do we start? Your mom comes to you and says there's this piece of history that's missing,

1:49.3

which is something I deal with, you know, all the time I'm a historical true crime writer and

1:54.0

podcaster. And people ask me all the time, why does it matter? I mean, this person has been gone.

1:59.8

Generations and generations, so much has

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