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Dark Poutine - True Crime and Dark History

Tangled Web: The Shootings of Alfred and Rosemary Podgis

Dark Poutine - True Crime and Dark History

Curiouscast

True Crime, Society & Culture, History, Documentary

4.8 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2021

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Episode 171 - Rosemary Podgis, 56, and her husband Alfred, 58, were found in a Pennsylvania Ravine. They had been fatally shot in their Loch Arbour, New Jersey home over the Fourth of July weekend in 1982. The apparent perpetrators arrested by police 5 days later were two 18-year-olds: Scott Robert Franz, Rosemary’s son from a previous marriage, and Scott’s Canadian friend Bruce Anthony Curtis, who had been Scott’s classmate at King’s Edgehill private school in Nova Scotia where the pair had just graduated. The events leading up to the deaths of Rosemary and Alfred Podgis would be extremely important in establishing what led two teens, both with promising futures ahead of them, to kill Scott Franz’s mother and stepfather. Was it cold-blooded murder or, as Bruce would later claim, a tragic accident caused by a faulty firearm?Sources:[Blood Knot: The Trial and Conviction of Bruce Curtis by David Hayes][State v. Curtis :: 1984 :: New Jersey Superior Court, Appellate Division :: Justia][Two 18-year-olds, one from Nova Scotia, were held today… - UPI Archives][A disputed killing in New Jersey | Maclean’s | APRIL 16, 1984][Curtis’s long trip home | Maclean’s | MARCH 7, 1988][National Film Board of Canada - Journey Into Darkness: The Bruce Curtis Story][Dalhousie - The Gazette - Volume 117, Number 22 - February 21, 1985][Canadians Mount Campaign To Obtain Man in New Jersey Prison][YouTube - Deadly Betrayal: The Bruce Curtis Story - 1992 NBC Sunday Night Movie][Crime-Sep-24-1989-947717 | NewspaperArchive][Scott Franz’s Home - GoogleMaps][Bruce Curtis and Scott Franz case - MemoryNS][Shootings of Alfred and Rosemary Podgis - Wikipedia] Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/darkpoutine Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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Oh my gosh, welcome back to Dark Poutine, I'm Mike Brown, creator and host. Of course, my guest host again is my friend Matthew.

0:28.0

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0:34.7

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1:04.2

Dark Poutine is not for the faint of heart or squeamish. Our content is often intense and some listeners may find it disturbing.

1:10.5

We're not experts on the topics we present nor are we journalists. We're ordinary Canadian schmows chatting about crime in the dark side of history.

1:18.1

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1:25.0

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1:55.0

Rosemary Pajas 56 and her husband Alfred 58 were found in a Pennsylvania ravine. They had been fatally shot in their lock arbor.

2:24.8

New Jersey home over the 4th of July weekend in 1982. The apparent perpetrators arrested by police five days later in Texas were two 18-year-olds.

2:36.0

Scott Robert Frans, Rosemary's son from a previous marriage. And Scott's Canadian friend Bruce Anthony Curtis, who'd been Scott's classmate at King's Edge Hill Private School in Nova Scotia where the pair had just graduated.

2:50.2

The events leading up to the deaths of Rosemary and Al Pajas would be extremely important in establishing what led the two teens, both with promising futures ahead of them to kill Scott's friends's mother and stepfather.

3:04.0

Was a cold-blooded murder? Or as Bruce would later claim, a tragic accident caused by a faulty firearm.

3:13.2

This is dark-poutine episode 171, Tangled Web, the shootings of Alfred and Rosemary Pajas.

3:21.3

Much of the research for this episode comes from the usual sources, court documents and media reports.

3:30.1

As well, extremely helpful was David Hayes' book about the case called Blood Naut or No Easy Answers depending on the addition you get your hands on.

3:39.0

Bruce Curtis was a smart young man and came from a solid family, settled in Mount Hanley, on the North Mountain near Middleton, Nova Scotia, the town where I would go to school eight years after these tragic events in this case.

3:53.2

Bruce's father, James, was a captain of the Canadian Armed Forces and Bruce's mother, Alice, was mom to three grown children.

4:01.2

Bruce had two older sisters and just married a 23-year-old, a middle child. The Curtis family were doing well for themselves and lived in a large farm of over 750 acres, quite a spread in Nova Scotia.

4:15.3

Bruce's parents saw potential in their son and wanted the best for him, so they sent him to Nova Scotia's prestigious private school in Windsor called King's Edge Hill.

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